"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
06/24/2015 at 14:05 • Filed to: None
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"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
06/24/2015 at 14:05 • Filed to: None | 3
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I like Buells. This is not something new.
But i’m starting to find that Buell guys (with the few exceptions) are some of the most stubborn assholes you can imagine. anything that’s not a Buell is a cookie cutter rice rocket with a squid on top who can only read a spec sheet.
Maybe its because i’m spending too much time on oppo. Maybe its the canadian in me trying to be nice. In either case it bugs me how quick these assholes jump to put down the ‘rice burners’.
Am I insane? I want to defend the jap bikes because well shit, someone has to. But at the same time, that would probably get me kicked out of the group, and frankly,. i do want to get my hands on a Buell at one point, and those guys are my best bet. (not to mention when shit hits the fan, they have the know how to fix it)
have a buell Id like to own for listening to the canadian rant.
DrJohannVegas
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 14:15 |
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With an engine from the Victorian Era, it’s not surprising some of the owners/riders have similar worldviews.
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bob and john
> DrJohannVegas
06/24/2015 at 14:18 |
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hahaha! yea. That is very true
Blondude
> DrJohannVegas
06/24/2015 at 14:18 |
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Sam
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 14:20 |
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A lot of them try to act similarly to Harley riders.
nermal
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 14:21 |
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I really like the idea of Buells. The executions and value proposition of them leaves a lot to be desired though, which is perhaps why they’ve only achieved cult status and not mainstream.
Japanese bikes are the only sportbikes anymore - See Ducati / BMW / Aprillia / KTM for other more mainstream options from other countries.
Also, you could replace the grumpy old Buell owners with any other group of grumpy old guys that own an orphaned car / bike. They need to justify their enthusiasm as well as the high prices they want to sell their old crap for.
Spaze
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 14:28 |
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The Harley Buell’s are simply very small wheelbase vibrators, capable of giving you a good time, but they left me wanting more.
The 11XX bikes from EBR are supposed to be amazing machines. That being said FanBoi’s will be just that.... and other bikes will simply be spec sheets ridden by squids....
Mmmmm
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 14:34 |
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I mean really though, how different is a Buell or EBR from a “cookie cutter” bike. Fuel in frame, perimeter brake, and what else? All bikes have a big focus on mass centralization and buell may have been the first but other bikes have done the compact under bike exhaust. Other differences like belt drive were forced by Harley and not exactly good things.
That said I think it would be fun to own an EBR one day just to see what it’s like and have something a little different.
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bob and john
> Mmmmm
06/24/2015 at 14:50 |
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oil in swing arm, under slung exhaust (Buell was the first to do so. other have followed suit)
and the transluscent panels (yea yea, i’m immature, but they look SO SWEET)
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Mmmmm
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 14:54 |
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Oh yea I forgot about the oil in the swingarm. Haha well I’m kinda the opposite, I don’t really like the translucent panels. All I can think of are 15 year old mac computers when I see those.
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bob and john
> Mmmmm
06/24/2015 at 14:55 |
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hehehe
also, on the EBRs, they had a chain tensioner (adrian nickoldean reveiwed one) and he seemed to like it.
WiscoProud
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 15:02 |
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I think Buell is influenced somewhat by the larger Harley world view since they were sold in HD dealerships. Many HD riders are incredibly dismissive of anything deemed as "rice". Some of it could be the fact that many sport bikes are ridden by 20 year old douche bags, or that they feel the need to justify their $30k purchase of a vehicle that was largely designed in the 60-70s. Who knows.
B/Xmrrmvr
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 15:24 |
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They sound like HD owners, makes sense.
BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
> bob and john
06/24/2015 at 17:54 |
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America needs a mainstream motorcycle manufacturer that doesn’t focus on cruisers.
Harley Davidson is sucking the air out of the american-made motorcycle segment, and Polaris’s brands, and Indian are not philosophically different.
Brammo is trying to do the electric thing, but it isn’t fully baked yet.
Motus is going high-dollar and pushrod-traditional as well... albeit with half a GM small block, instead of an age-old V-twin, not going toward something that real people could afford to consider.
A standard, street-sport, sport-touring, and full touring rigs, Adventure bikes, dual-sports, scramblers, cafe racers, are all variants OTHER than cruisers, choppers, and baggers with narrow-vee pushrod V-twin engines. Even a wide-angle OHC V-twin is welcome (I love Yamaha XV-based custom cafe bikes, like affordable alternatives to Vincent bikes.)
Buell could have done it, especially after being kicked to the curb by Hardley-Ableson.... but he chose to go ultra-high-end and failed to reach that critical mass.
He didn’t build a salable, affordable bike, and then build a more exclusive product from that revenue baseline.
This issue has been going for so many decades, that the culture may be too set on cruisers/choppers/baggers to consider anything else, and there isn’t an american-manufactured baseline motorcycle engine that is ready-made for an affordable mainstream bike, the way that Honda/Yama/Kawa/Zuki have long established, and the decades-long-lead may be too long to overcome, especially with the manufacturing cost and regulation deficit in the US compared to the far east.
American brands certainly don’t have the tradition for a variety of bike formats like those of BMW, Triumph, Moto Guzzi, and Ducati, and that can’t start overnight.
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BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
> Sam
06/24/2015 at 17:58 |
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They are Harley riders... plus they have a hipster factor for being “alternative” to riding cruiser Harleys, but rather sport-bike accoutrements wrapped around a Harley core, which is an un-surmountable, irreconcilable dichotomy. A Sport Bike and a Harley Engine can’t co-exist enough to make a single machine. It is two machines mashed up, and can’t overcome that, even if the mashup is rideable and produceable.
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bob and john
> BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
06/24/2015 at 18:03 |
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I dont think I could have put it any better myself. Why can I only give you 1 star!??!
AMGtech - now with more recalls!
> bob and john
06/25/2015 at 01:39 |
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I know it’s narrow-sighted and immature, but I’ve always liked these because the way they sound compared to the way they look confuses the shit out of most sport bike riders (and I like the sound).